October 25, 2014

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  1. I just wanted to make you guys aware that http://www.ablehaven.com is in soft launch for the next 30 days. Ablehaven is a new social network for preppers and survivalists.

    It is based on the principle that anything beyond short run survival requires cooperation and communication. It is our mission to help the readiness movement transition into a community that prepares for the fulfillment of prophesy while embracing the teachings of the savior to love our neighbor.

    Please check us out.

  2. Hi Chris –

    Just want to let you know that I’ve tagged you in a internet meme over on my site. Thought you may like to participate in a getting to know the prepping community meme.

    http://preppingtosurvive.com/2012/09/10/11-questions/

    Thanks!

    Joe

  3. I was on the site Saturday looking for an old post where you mention CCW and superman’s cape. The way you phrased it was good and I wanted to re-read it. I thought it was something that had been slipped in as part of one of the general preparedness tip articles, but I was wrong. I think it was from this summer or this spring. Do you remember the article?

    How’s that for a bus? :) If you can’t, no big. I’ll just work my way through the site step by step. I probably missed or forgot something and need to, anyway.

    Thanks, R

    • Chris Ray says:

      I wish I could remember that, but its not coming to mind. I did do a search through the blog postings and through all comments for superman, and nothing popped up.

      Sorry

      • Found it! Zimmerman popped in my head and I searched for that. (And found an article I missed along the way.)

        “Carrying a gun may also give a little extra courage to some, but just because you put on a cape doesn’t mean you can fly.” – Rising crime…, October

        Thanks again, R

  4. GBU for providing opportunity & sanctuary for likeminded believers/ do you have and provide services for relocations to live in preparedness communities ? pls contact me with info/ thnks & GBU:))0

    • Chris Ray says:

      Thank you for the blessing. I don’t know of any preparedness based communities, if you do please let me know as I would like more info.

  5. Hello
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    watch the film and please put it as an essential link on the right with the other links.

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    http://backtoedenfilm.com/

    Cheers!

  6. Amber Evans says:

    Very interested in advertising any info about cot and sizing would be appreciated.

  7. Chris,

    I’ve tried a few times to download your e book but when i fill in the form it tells me I am “already subscribed” (which I am for the updates)…what am I doing wrong and how do I get the book?

    Thanks,

    Rob

  8. Chris,

    I signed up and am getting your e-mails (and I visit your site) but I have not received information on my free e-book “Why Should I Prepare…”

    Maybe you did send it and somehow I deleted it, but I do not remember doing so. Will you please send it again… as a Christian I am most interested in reading it.

    Thanks so much…

    • Chris Ray says:

      Hi Rick

      Thanks for signing up for updates, you should have received an email right after you subscribed that had a link to the download page. I will send you a copy though.

      Thanks again,

      Chris

  9. Dream on Chris.

    I have been to your site a few times and read about your dream of a large acreage, cabins, permaculture, livestock, etc. I have a modification of that dream… I live on 300 acres, (farm & group camping facilities,(Psalm 23 Camp since 1985) several garden models including a greenhouse, livestock, etc. I recently began http://www.HomesteadShepherd.com and desire to help others.

    So, I have a part you do not , and you have much that I do not. Perhaps we could merge some way, some day.

    In Him,
    Dennis

    • Chris Ray says:

      Hi Dennis,

      Your ministry sounds fantastic, you’re blessed.

      collaborating in the future is something I might definitely be interested in.

      • Prepper Paul says:

        Hi All,
        I’m a newbie. I own 6.3 acres of land in southwestern New York State that I have been converting into a homestead. It has become a lifetime project.
        I am interested in connecting with like-minded people. I am uncertain about how to get started. Can someone help?
        God Bless,
        Paul

        • Chris Ray says:

          Hi Paul

          I am working on an article to help people find like minded people near them unfortunately, I don’t have many resources at the moment. On the Prepared Christian forum I have a place where people can connect with like minded people, but there are not many users, but posting on it might be worthwhile.

          Chris

  10. anthony barbuto says:

    Hello,

    I sold Life Support products to air forces around the world back in the 1980s. I was a ” Survivalist” back then I guess you would call me a “prepper” now. I am making up survival kits using some different methods. If you, your readers or advertisers are interested, let me know. Thanks
    Anthony Barbuto

  11. Chris, great site, thanks for all you do. My pastor has been discussing issues of disaster preparedness, which has lately piqued my interest. FWIW, for many years I have been teaching practical astronomy from a Biblical perspective, which includes the elements of timekeeping and navigation by the Sun, Moon and stars. These topics would be most useful in a survival scenario, but most people in our generation, including Christians, are very unprepared in this area. We publish an astronomy homeschool curriculum that has been popular with adult readers who are curious about this info. Please let me know if you would like a free review copy, to assess the potential value for prepared Christians. Thanks and God bless, jay

    • Thanks Jay, I appreciate the compliment.

      I think you’re right, those topics would be very useful in a grid down situation. When I have more free time I’ll send you an email about a copy. Thanks for the offer.

      • Sounds great, Chris, thanks for your interest. When the grid goes down, taking the streetlights with it, it’ll be very easy to see the stars at night, even from the big cities! Meantime, these skills are still useful for hunters and other outdoorsmen, to tell time and navigate during the day and night. Have a nice Christmas and let me when you’d be interested.

    • StarreGypsy says:

      Jay Ryan,

      I am a homeschooling mom who would be interested in finding out more about your astronomy curriculum. Could you e-mail some info (at)Whittomshire@wildblue.net?

      • I doubt Jay will see this. But if you click on his name in his comment it will take you to his website, there you can find his contact page.

  12. Keith Reynolds says:

    I read an article from ‘end of the American dream.com’ . This is about Christians being killed for their faith. I tried to send you the link but I’m not that tech savvy. If you would read this then consider the questions I’m asking. In scripture Jesus tells his disciples if they don’t have a sword to sell their cloak and buy one. I have grown up in the church all my life. My father was a minster until his death. I have gone to bible college and currently very active with my local church. That being said, it appears the attitude is concerning persecution of Christians is to be sheep and accept what is happening to you. I have things stored at my house for upcoming problems, along with this is several guns and ammo. Is it wrong to defend yourself from these attackers and even kill them? I’m not talking looters and the such, I’m talking about the killing of Christians. I have my conceal & carry permit and I take my weapon to church. No one is the wiser but if armed militants entered the church is it wrong to defend the lives of those in harms way and kill these people. The ten commandments is thrown around a lot with this subject with ‘thou shall not kill’ but the Hebrew is saying you shall not not murder. I’m not saying I’m planning on hunting these people down but rather in a defend your self way. Your thoughts??? Keith :-)

    • Hey Keith
      Jesus taught love your enemy and love your neighbor as yourself, as hard as it is for me to accept that for the most part we should trust God, and yes there are situations where a gun would be very useful, I am gooing to get a gun at some point because I live in the country so I have something in case some unwanted critters come around.

      Regarding the verse where Jesus told his disciples to go get a sword is only to fulfill one of the last prophecies about Jesus “and he was counted among the criminals” that is all, he did not tell them to buy 1 sword for self defense of 12 disciples, keep reading that verse and you will see what I am talking about.

      by the way I believe our lord is at the door, In the Old Testament, the prophet Joel states, “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” (Joel 2:31)
      this will happen twice next year(both fall on passover and feast of tebarnacles) and in 2015.
      and also
      “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light. … And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29-30)

      Acts 2 states: “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes.”

      Keep your eyes open and trust God

      • I disagree with you on your understanding of the two swords. I explain why pretty thoroughly in the article I’ll link below. http://preparedchristian.net/should-christians-practice-self-defense/

        I have seen someone make a similar claim as you, but haven’t seen any explanation why this view is held. Jesus either spoke in parables or quite plainly, I think Him stating that disciples should sell their cloak, the most valuable thing they owned, to buy swords, to me sounds like a command, not either a parable or some hidden meaning.

        I agree with you that I think we are near the end times. But I think we get a “blood moon” or harvest moon a few times over the course of a year or two. I know it happens during lunar eclipses and at other times as well.

        “Keep your eyes open and trust God”

        Amen.

    • Hi Keith,

      Your question is one that I think has had many modern day Christians confused. I wrote an article on the issue that will explain my thoughts in detail. http://preparedchristian.net/should-christians-practice-self-defense/

      I believe that as long as we’re acting in self-defense, and not out of anger or vengeance, then we are not sinning. There are two verses that have been twisted and confuse people on this issue. You named one, the Ten Commandments; and you’re right, the actual word in Hebrew is murder, not kill. The second one is turning the other cheek. Most people think it means let the person strike again. But as I note in the link above, when you read the verse with the context of the time and culture in which it was written, it means something different. O pose four theories I have found, but the one I think is correct is that we should not react to insults.

  13. Keith Reynolds says:

    Chris, I read the article you wrote” Should a Christian should practice self defense”. This helps settle some questions in my mind. I personally believe there will be open persecution of Christians in my life time in the USA. I know in times of trials the church grows and satan will not overcome the church ( nice to know how the games ends) but this is of concern for me and my family. Thanks for letting me blow some steam towards you and for your wisdom. Keith :-)

  14. Do you allow guest articles?

  15. Just wanted to let you know that I have started the Free online Permaculture Design Course. The instructor, to this point, seems to have a good outlook. The basic theme so far is that we need to try to restore as much of nature as we can, but that we as people are just as much a part of nature as anything else. He has said to take care of the planet to take care of people, and give back any excess. His approach seems very holistic, but not in a wacko sort of way. Basically, help nature to better help us. Good so far.

  16. Michele Dalton says:

    I just finished reading “The End of America” by John Price like you suggested, but I couldn’t find the forum you mentioned. Would like to hear others impressions and share a couple of thoughts I had.

  17. Hey Chris,
    What do you think about Christians joining their local militia?

  18. Chris,

    love the site and had a quick question–

    i’m putting together a page of food storage helps geared towards “average joe preppers.” I recently came across one of your articles called “the kinds of foods that you can store”, that I thought had some really good ideas.

    i was hoping I could include a link to it as a resource. would this be ok?

    cheers!

    • Chris Ray says:

      Hi Dan,

      That would be great, thanks for sharing!

      Chris

      • excellent Chris, appreciate it! you have some good stuff, so i’m glad you’re ok with it.

        working hard on it, so hopefully it turns out well… fingers crossed!

        DC

  19. Chris, I just found your website and downloaded your e-book. Can I or am I allowed to make hard copies of it and pass them out to other people that might interested.

  20. Rev. Dr. Michael E Harris says:

    Chris,

    I have misplaced your email address, but I wanted to share the following with you–
    http://summerofsurvival.com/sos/ (2014 Summer of Survival (SOS)).

    The interesting thing is that one of the speakers talks about Christian preparedness.

    This just popped in my head: Can Christians eat Halal food? Halal is food prepared for Muslims, who honor an idol–Allah. Does eating Halal food conflict with the Bible?

    • Rev. Dr. Michael E Harris says:

      1. Acts 15:29
      You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.
      Acts 15:28-30 (in Context) Acts 15 (Whole Chapter)
      2. Acts 21:25
      As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
      Acts 21:24-26 (in Context) Acts 21 (Whole Chapter)
      3. 1 Corinthians 8:1
      [ Concerning Food Sacrificed to Idols ] Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up.
      1 Corinthians 8:1-3 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 8 (Whole Chapter)
      4. 1 Corinthians 8:7
      But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.
      1 Corinthians 8:6-8 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
      5. Revelation 2:14
      Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
      Revelation 2:13-15 (in Context) Revelation 2 (Whole Chapter)
      6. Revelation 2:20
      Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
      Revelation 2:19-21 (in Context) Revelation 2 (Whole Chapter)

      • Even as a very conservative Christian, I have no problem eating halal food. Why? Because, in context, I Cor 8:8 states plainly: “But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.” Paul’s entire message is simply… “Food sacrifice to an idol? So what? Knowing who the True God is is all that matters… HOWEVER, if your fellow believer struggles with the idea… then abstaing… because their faith isn’t strong enough.”

        If it is an issue of survival… it doesn’t matter. You can even find this “freedom” in 1 Samuel 21:6. God doesn’t get wrapped up in this stuff nearly as much as we do… he just has the parameters in place because we tend to stray too easily.

        Two cents…

        • Rev. Dr. Michael E Harris says:

          Sorry Kermit, you appear to have misread I Corinthians 8:8. This is verses 6 through 8,

          “…6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 8 But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat.…”

          Verse 7 tells the Corinthians not to eat food sacrificed to idols (and Allah is an idol). Verse 8 tells us that “food will not commend us to GOD”, this means that GOD does not give us any gold stars for eating certain foods. Verse 8 continues to summarize that we get no gold stars for eating any special food and we do not lose gold stars for avoiding certain foods.

          You appear to have read verse 8 out of context. Verse 7 says that some have forgotten that food sacrificed to idols defiles the conscience of those who follow Christ.

          I do know that Jews are allowed to eat halal (but I have cited New Testament guidance that the Jews do not follow); muslims are allowed to eat kosher food. I Corinthians says that Christians should not eat halal, but does not say anything about eating kosher.

          Looking back on the Jewish dietary laws, they have their origins in health and being humane with food animals.

          I will demand that my local grocery stores label their halal as we are not to eat it.

          We can eat anything because our salvation does not depend on the food we eat to sustain our bodies. Do we not acknowledge the idol when we knowingly eat food sacrificed to it. I offend GOD often enough that I will go out of my way to let my community know that halal is sacrificed to an idol.

        • Rev. Dr. Michael E Harris says:

          Kermit,

          I just want to mention that I really appreciate it when someone provides interesting feedback.

          • Now that’s a great comment! I briefly read what you wrote while eating and was actually excited to get back to my computer to write the reply. No doubt that we may not walk away agreeing on something like this (which I would call second tier doctrine) so long as we agree that it is only the the blood of Christ that we are saved (first tier doctrine).

            Iron sharpens iron, my brother. And that sometimes has sparks and heat. It’s a true shame that so many Christians fear discussing topics for fear of… well, whatever… being wrong, right, or something horrific… like having to think and start living their faith! (sometimes taking a stance reveals our own shortcomings)

            That said, let me try this again since I was a bit too short on that last one.

            Let’s expand the context, shall we?

            1Now concerninga food offered to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. 2If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.

            4Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one. 5For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords” 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
            8Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better off if we do.

            9But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols? 11And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. 12Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.”

            I’m not sure Chris is looking for theological proofs on his contact page, but I would simply ask you to consider the following:

            Verse 7 says plainly that “not all men have this knowledge” (that there is but one God, from whom are all things). Let me try a paraphrase of the next part (bear with me a bit… not trying to add anything, but rather look at the underlying structure/mechanics of the language) – but some, who have idolatry until this point, still eat like they don’t know the one true God… they are still eating the food as if it mattered at all! And because those people are eating with the belief that it matters, it’s an issue for them and it’s affecting their faith. But the reality is that (v8) food doesn’t hurt or harm us in our relationship with God unless our faith isn’t strong enough to understand the freedoms we have in Christ. But be careful… even thought eating this food is okay for you (assuming you possess the knowledge I’m speaking of), don’t let it become a stumbling block to the weak (see vs7b). If you’re not careful, your actions could be seen as a stamp of approval by a weak brother and they will eat idol meat without fully understanding and it will further weaken and defile their conscious. Therefore, IF food makes my brother stumble… I won’t eat it.

            Now, if you look at my earlier reply… I stated that it isn’t a problem for me because I understand. However, if I was eating with someone who had issue, I wouldn’t (of course, I would take it as an opportunity to strengthen their faith). It’s the same reason that I don’t eat bacon in front of a SDA or even my Rabbi friend. It’s the same reason I don’t discussion some doctrines in front of young Christians… they don’t need to hear us fighting on the 2nd and 3rd tier stuff… they need to hear edification and further strengthening of the 1st tier stuff that actually affect salvation.

            You [Verse 7 tells the Corinthians not to eat food sacrificed to idols (and Allah is an idol). Verse 8 tells us that “food will not commend us to GOD”, this means that GOD does not give us any gold stars for eating certain foods. Verse 8 continues to summarize that we get no gold stars for eating any special food and we do not lose gold stars for avoiding certain foods.]
            Exactly what I’m saying  it doesn’t matter.

            [You appear to have read verse 8 out of context. Verse 7 says that some have forgotten that food sacrificed to idols defiles the conscience of those who follow Christ.]

            Not quite… it defiles the conscience of those who eat “as if it were” sacrificed to idols… it hurts those who are not strong enough in their faith to realize they have freedom in Christ to do all things.

            [I do know that Jews are allowed to eat halal (but I have cited New Testament guidance that the Jews do not follow); muslims are allowed to eat kosher food. I Corinthians says that Christians should not eat halal, but does not say anything about eating kosher.]

            Again, I’m going to have to disagree with your interpretation of 1 Corinthians. Consider… what if you were in a Muslim country… would you choose to starve? Or would you eat and spend your time witnessing to others about Christ?

            Me… If I’m standing next to someone who invokes the name of Zeus and cuts a piece of bacon… I’m gonna start looking for some Lettuce, Tomato, and a little bit of Mayo. Why? Because I don’t eat “as if it” were sacrificed to an idol… I eat in the freedom of the blood of Christ, with the knowledge that there is but one true God.

            [Looking back on the Jewish dietary laws, they have their origins in health and being humane with food animals.]

            True. And the main point is that Christ fulfilled the Law, and His blood makes “all things clean” – Oh, which reminds me of Mark 7:19: “And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.”5 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?””

            And just a few (I acknowledge excerpt and not full context, but should give a jist)

            Luke 11:41
            41 But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you.

            Acts 10:15
            15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.”

            Acts 11:9
            9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’

            [I will demand that my local grocery stores label their halal as we are not to eat it.]

            I’m not sure you demanding is quite the best approach. Request, perhaps? (I know you probably meant it with a softer tone, mind you). Although, I would say that the halal meat is probably better tasting, since you know it was killed and cleaned in a very specific manner… check it out if it’s on sale ;-)

            Okay, like I said up front… we don’t have to agree at the end on stuff like this… and to bring it back… if it’s TEOTWAKI, and we’re pairing up, I’d bug out with you. Firstly, because I’m sure we could have to awesome Scripture studies together. Secondly, if we’re starving and come across a halal market, I won’t have to ask, “you gonna eat that?” More for me. ;-)

            Blessings,
            Kermit

  21. I was wondering, if there is some kind of map or club that we can learn where other like minded people are near us to make friends with the same focus we have. Friends we can learn from, grow with, …..

  22. Rev. Dr. Michael E Harris says:

    I was trying to Reply, but we have reached that limit.

    I am going to try something different this time; I am going to try to put my responses in the text so that no one gets lost. I have copied Kermit’s reply (Thank You!) to MS Word and formatted it for my eyes (TNR 12, justified, 0 pt/6 pt line spacing, two spaces between sentences)

    Again, I want to thank Kermit for the ability to have a nice discussion.

    Kermit says:

    September 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

    Now that’s a great comment! I briefly read what you wrote while eating and was actually excited to get back to my computer to write the reply. No doubt that we may not walk away agreeing on something like this (which I would call second tier doctrine) so long as we agree that it is only the blood of Christ that we are saved (first tier doctrine). [I agree with the terminology and the issues that belong in each tier. The first-tier doctrine is the important issue and we have no problem with that. Second-tier doctrine is interesting, but does not have anything to do with our salvation; it does divide Christians into denominations.]

    Iron sharpens iron, my brother. And that sometimes has sparks and heat. It’s a true shame that so many Christians fear discussing topics for fear of…well, whatever…being wrong, right, or something horrific…like having to think and start living their faith! [This is one reason that finding a good church, i.e., the pastor and congregation, is often very hard for many believers. As an aside, how do you reconcile the idea of everyone agreeing on the second-tier doctrine when the church has 40,000 members?] (Sometimes taking a stance reveals our own shortcomings) [This statement is why I enjoy this discussion so much—I might be wrong, but the more we discuss the topic; the more we have to think about it.]

    That said, let me try this again since I was a bit too short on that last one.

    Let’s expand the context [This should help a great deal.], shall we? [Now the learning starts.]

    1Now concerning a food offered [the context of food offered to idols is the sacrifice of meat offerings done in the name of the false god (idol) not just offering prepare food (meat or veggie) to the idol. Remember that Cain had a problem with this as he was a farmer while Abel was a rancher.] to idols: we know that “all of us possess knowledge.” This “knowledge” puffs up, but love builds up. 2If anyone imagines that he knows something, he does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.

    4Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one. 5For although there may be so-called gods in heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords” [This concept is good; we often forget that an idol or ‘god’ does not have to be something that we bow down to, e.g., Baal or the Golden Calf, but anything that we prize more than we should, e.g., Facebook, television—I cannot find anything worth watching even with 200+ channels. We all have to work (I am unemployed right now), we have to eat and sleep, we have to spend time with our families, we need rest and recreation (re-creation—the building of a reenergized body and soul (soul is used here as the concept of self-awareness not the part that is able to commune with GOD); anything beyond that having too much control over our lives is an idol or false god. But going back to the focus of our discussion, the food (flesh from once-living animals) that is slain (using protocols demanded by the false deity) or sacrificed to that idol in the name of that idol. At the present, my issue is with halal—food sacrificed to Allah—I have no idea why we were all taught in the 50s, 60s, 70s, etc. that Allah and the one true GOD were the same; even the fundamentalist Baptists believed it.] 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 7 However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. [Rethinking this, I believe that this is not for us, but only for the Christians at Corinth because of the statement of “being accustomed to the idol.” For them, it defile their conscience.] “8Food will not commend us to God. We are no worse off if we do not eat, and no better, off if we do. [One issue here is that not everything in the New Testament is meant literally for the modern Christian. Some things can be boiled down to their basic concepts and reapplied to modern situations, but verse 7 may not be one of those.]

    9But take care that this right of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak. 10For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will he not be encouraged, if his conscience is weak, to eat food offered to idols? [Verses 9 and 10 lead into my point about a modern-day Christian not eating halal. If those young in Christ see me eating something that they know was sacrifice to Allah, then they might think that Allah and GOD are the same. I cannot ruin a Christian life for something as disastrous as this. To that end, I will be on the lookout for halal in my grocery store and avoid it. At the same time, I have a right to demand that the store identify halal so that our religious rights are not violated.] 11And so by your knowledge this weak person is destroyed, the brother for whom Christ died. 12Thus, sinning against your brothers and wounding their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. 13Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.”

    I’m not sure Chris is looking for theological proofs on his contact page, but I would simply ask you to consider the following:

    Verse 7 says plainly that “not all men have this knowledge” (that there is but one God, from whom are all things). Let me try a paraphrase of the next part (bear with me a bit…not trying to add anything, but rather look at the underlying structure/mechanics of the language) – but some, who have idolatry until this point, still eat like they don’t know the one true God…they are still eating the food as if it mattered at all! And because those people are eating with the belief that it matters,
    it’s an issue for them and it’s affecting their faith. But the reality is that (v8) food doesn’t hurt or harm us in our relationship with God unless our faith isn’t strong enough to understand the freedoms we have in Christ. But be careful…even though eating this food is okay for you (assuming you possess the knowledge I’m speaking of), don’t let it become a stumbling block to the weak (see vs7b). If you’re not careful, your actions could be seen as a stamp of approval by a weak brother and they will eat idol meat without fully understanding and it will further weaken and defile their conscious. Therefore, IF food makes my brother stumble…I won’t eat it. [I pulled this part out from the rest of the paragraph. This is exactly what I am saying; I cannot and will not eat halal, but it sends the wrong message to the unbelievers and the young believers. I think that we agree on all the important points, but have not been using common enough terminology. Now, I think that we are on the same page.] [For some reason, I have been thinking about Old Testament Christians; it hit me very strongly with this paragraph. Not everything in the Old Testament is written for the edification of the modern-day Christian; some passages do not even have a message (in and of themselves), but may be useful for some other Christian purpose (genealogies). I know a few pastors/preachers who want to apply Old Testament law to New Testament Christians. Some believe that all the offerings and gifts required of the Jews that supported the Temple should apply to today; they forget that those offerings and gifts were used to pay the priests (i.e., the government) and soldiers (i.e., the government). These are the same men who brag about hold little they earn, but still can afford to send their children to Christian schools (with a pastoral discount); these are the men who try to ignore the fact that they live in modest homes that are provided by members of the congregation—in some cases, this could be the equivalent to an additional $25,000 in salary.]

    Now, if you look at my earlier reply…I stated that it isn’t a problem for me because I understand. However, if I was eating with someone who had issue, I wouldn’t (of course, I would take it as an opportunity to strengthen their faith). [We agree on this. I would go a step further and not eat halal unless it was the only sustenance left in the world. By not putting money in the pockets of Muslims, I am not helping them support ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, or Muslim Brotherhood. Note that many ‘American’ companies (e.g., Starbucks) pour their profits into Islamic terrorist groups.] It’s the same reason that I don’t eat bacon in front of a SDA or even my Rabbi friend [Aside: They certainly do not know what they are missing. Back to issue: I would never eat something that was forbidden to a friend in that friend’s presence; this is getting close to my ultimate point.]. It’s the same reason I don’t discuss some doctrines in front of young Christians…they don’t need to hear us fighting on the 2nd and 3rd tier stuff…they need to hear edification and further strengthening of the 1st tier stuff that actually affect salvation.

    You [Verse 7 tells the Corinthians not to eat food sacrificed to idols (and Allah is an idol). Verse 8 tells us that “food will not commend us to GOD,” this means that GOD does not give us any gold stars for eating certain foods. Verse 8 continues to summarize that we get no gold stars for eating any special food and we do not lose gold stars for avoiding certain foods.] Exactly what I’m saying  it doesn’t matter.
    [You appear to have read verse 8 out of context. Verse 7 says that some have forgotten that food sacrificed to idols defiles the conscience of those who follow Christ.]

    Not quite…it defiles the conscience of those who eat “as if it were” sacrificed to idols…it hurts those who are not strong enough in their faith to realize they have freedom in Christ to do all things. [Your statement is okay because it points out that some Christians do not have the strength in Christ to know how to interpret the eating of halal.]

    [I do know that Jews are allowed to eat halal (but I have cited New Testament guidance that the Jews do not follow); Muslims are allowed to eat kosher food. I Corinthians says that Christians should not eat halal, but does not say anything about eating kosher.]

    Again, I’m going to have to disagree with your interpretation of 1 Corinthians. Consider…what if you were in a Muslim country…would you choose to starve? Or would you eat and spend your time witnessing to others about Christ? [Good question. I would have to eat what was available to the Muslims or risk being beheaded. Dying over food is not a good way to witness. Witnessing is a good path to martyrdom. Being in a Muslim country is not on my bucket list.]
    Me…If I’m standing next to someone who invokes the name of Zeus and cuts a piece of bacon…I’m gonna start looking for some Lettuce, Tomato, and a little bit of Mayo. [This is not a valid example, as the bacon was not offered to any idol, but the invocation of Zeus is simply a prayer before eating. I would encourage anyone to pray in public before eating. The only public prayers that I cannot accept are those to Allah asking that my life be forfeit.] Why? Because I don’t eat “as if it” were sacrificed to an idol…I eat in the freedom of the blood of Christ, with the knowledge that there is but one true God. [We probably should have defined our terms a bit before getting carried away with this.]

    [Looking back on the Jewish dietary laws, they have their origins in health and being humane with food animals.]

    True. And the main point is that Christ fulfilled the Law, and His blood makes “all things clean” – Oh, which reminds me of Mark 7:19: “And he called the people to him again and said to them, “Hear me, all of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing outside a person that by going into him can defile him, but the things that come out of a person are what defile him.” [While we are not defiled by eating halal, we can give the wrong message to both the unsaved and the newly saved.] 5 17 And when he had entered the house and left the people, his disciples asked him about the parable. 18 And he said to them, “Then are you also without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him, 19 since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” [As born-again believers, we know that we have a place in heaven, but not how nice the accommodations are; this place in heaven is ours and nothing we do can undo that. However, we have to think of others in all that we do. What is the absolutely best way to witness? It is to live a life such that the unbeliever will ask you what you have that they do not (answer – Christ). Eating halal makes it look like we support Islam and/or that Allah and GOD are the same.]

    And just a few (I acknowledge excerpt and not full context, but should give a gist)

    Luke 11:41
    41 But give as alms those things that are within, and behold, everything is clean for you. [Meaning that nothing is going to keep you out of Heaven; but what about our witness?]

    Acts 10:15
    15 And the voice came to him again a second time, “What God has made clean, do not call common.” [In general, halal is good, healthy food, but eating it might send the wrong message.]

    Acts 11:9
    9 But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’ [Same as above.]

    I’m not sure you demanding is quite the best approach. [I will demand that my local grocery stores label their halal as we are not to eat it. If everyone else in this country can demand outrageous things, I think that Born-Again Christians have the right to ask for something that we have a right to as written in the First Amendment.] Request, perhaps? (I know you probably meant it with a softer tone, mind you). Although, I would say that the halal meat is probably better tasting, since you know it was killed and cleaned in a very specific manner…check it out if it’s on sale. [Am I to pretend that it is kosher? Kosher and halal butchering are the same; Mohammed knew enough about the Jewish laws and traditions to embrace them. He knew that Jews did not get sick as often by food as did the Arabs of Medina and Mecca; Jewish dietary laws are basically health regulations. I will not eat bear because it has the same problems that swine has—trichinosis. In general, I do not eat shellfish because I dislike the taste—I do eat a bit of crabmeat, but I will not eat crabs like an animal—in the shell.]

    Okay, like I said up front…we don’t have to agree at the end on stuff like this…and to bring it back…if it’s TEOTWAKI, and we’re pairing up, I’d bug out with you. Firstly, because I’m sure we could have to awesome Scripture studies together. Secondly, if we’re starving and come across a halal market, I won’t have to ask, “you gonna eat that?” More for me. [In a TEOTWAKI situation, I would eat halal because it is good flesh, but I would tell everyone that it was mislabeled and was actually kosher.] [Somewhere in these last two paragraphs is the place to mention that I have a can or two of survival bacon. As to bacon, preheat the oven to 425, line a cookie sheet with parchment paper, lay the bacon (full strips fit) on the parchment paper, and when the oven is at 425 (let it preheat or the bacon will not cook properly) cook the bacon for 15 minutes. I use thick cut bacon, so I have to bake it for 17-18 minutes; all the fat is still in the cookie sheet, but you can remove the bacon with a spatula.]

    Blessings,
    Kermit

    Topic For Next Discussion: RADICAL VS. MODERATE MUSLIMS
    20% of Muslims are violent terrorists while 80% pose no immediate threat to the West or to Christians.
    Which group is radical?
    [Somehow, we need to get Chris involved, as he might want to move the discussion.]

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    • Chris Ray says:

      Hi John,

      Sorry, but I don’t add companies to my blog roll, just other blogs.

      • thanks for your time I do have a blog on my site that’s what I was hoping to add and also I was wondering if you would be interested in maybe doing a product give away that I can sponsor for your readers if interested e mail me back and we can talk about ideas thanks again

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