August 1, 2014

Have We Been Warned to Flee America?

Have We Been Warned to Flee America

We normally prepare for possible future events. For Christians, those possibilities should always include the biblically prophetic. That said, if you knew that a major, nation-changing, prophecy-fulfilling event were to occur in your lifetime, an event that would forever change America and alter the course of the world, would it change how you prepare?

Trudee and I recently read a book called The End of America. It is my opinion that every Christian should read this book and do their own study, pray on it and see if they come to the same conclusion as the author John Price has.

I have received many emails over the years, commenting on how America is not mentioned in the Bible. I usually say something to the effect that many nations are not mentioned, that for America to be unmentioned only means that it’s not a key player in the end times. When I look at the world as it is today, I wonder what would it take for the world’s only superpower to be absent? One thing I have considered is that something would have to be done to remove the USA as a defender of Israel from the armies and allies of Gog and Magog. This book offers a very plausible explanation.

The book covers so much information that there is no way I can touch on everything. I will cover key points and give my take on a few things. I also want to say that while I do read the Bible every day, I did not attend seminary and have an intermediate level of understanding. For this reason, I have a favor to ask; join with me in a study of this subject. In the words of Ronald Reagan, “Trust but verify.” I think it is prudent to study the topic John Price brings to light. While Mr. Price has done most of the legwork, it’s absolutely essential that we all verify through study and prayer how this translates to our lives.

I don’t want this study to go on in the comments of this blog post. It would get too cluttered and hard to follow. I have created a new section on the Prepared Christian forum, called “Have We Been Warned to Flee America?”. It requires people to sign up and I have to manually approve each membership. This makes things a little slower to get rolling, but it is the only way I can keep the spammers and hackers from posting their filth. Your membership will not be approved immediately, but I will be keeping a close eye on the forum this week to approve memberships. If I reject your membership, please send me an email to let me know. I have roughly 50 spammers creating accounts every day and sometimes I reject a legitimate membership by accident. You will need to log into the forum to be able to see the “Have We Been Warned to Flee America?” forum, once logged in you will find it under the Preparedness forum. You can get to the forum by clicking on the link above.

Mr. Price offers a lot of material on his site, the EndofAmericaBook.com. One item he offers is called PROPHECY 101: A Brief History of Prophetic Interpretation and another is Hebrew and Greek Annotation about the Daughter of Babylon verses.. He also offers a study guide, which I didn’t know about until we were almost finished with the book, that he gives away. He has given me permission to host a copy, which you can download by clicking here. If you need the study guide as another file type, please email me at Chris (at) preparedchristian (dot) net, and I will take care of it.

I have asked John Price if he would be willing to answer questions on the blog post and on the forum. He has agreed to do so. If you have a question for him, please ask and he may answer.

The Kindle version of The End of America is available for $.99 and should be affordable for most of us. You don’t need a Kindle to read kindle books, Amazon offers free Kindle software that allows you to read it on your PC. Click this link to download a free copy of the kindle software.

Here are some things to keep in mind as you read this article: I am a skeptical by nature. I like to have things proven to me. I like to see how people come to their decisions. When people make claims about the Bible or prophesy I scrutinize them even more. There are just too many false teachers who want to tickle ears to take anything on face value without scripture to support it. Mr. Price gives scripture to back up his findings. It is up to us to verify and see if we come to the same conclusion. He also gives several verses from the Koran when he explains the “religion of peace”.

 
The End of America

The book starts off looking at prophesy, specifically those dealing with the end times. It touches on Israel, and the timing of the Jews again entering the Holy Land in the form of their own nation, Israel.

Mr. Price explains that Israel getting its homeland back as well as the revived Roman Empire (the European Union) are two key prophesy events pointing to us being in the end times.
 

The Religion of Peace

In chapter two, entitled “The Religion of Peace”, Mr. Price gives a brief history of Islam. He follows the history of Muhammad and the creation of Islam, following the roots of Jihad through Wahabism, which is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. What the Wahabists believe is explained and many examples of worldwide terrorism are given.

Muslim End times prophesies are given. I have studied these a bit from other sources as well. When you consider them along with the Christian End times prophesies, it is as if you’re looking at two sides of the same coin. The Twelfth Imam or the Mahdi is their Messiah, and is a great political and military leader. Mr. Price makes the connection, calling the Twelfth Imam the Antichrist.

The Caliphate is also spoken of. The Caliph is the united religious leader of all of Islam. It was abolished in 1924 by Turkey. However, there have been calls from some countries to have it restored. This would greatly help in establishing a one world religion.

 
The Mystery and Identity of the Daughter of Babylon

I have received emails about the possibility of the United States being the Daughter of Babylon. It is a topic that has interested me but is something I haven’t had time to research. There are several prophesies from both the Old and New Testaments listed, giving the Greek definition of some words to better understand the verse. In fact, here are (–LINK Hebrew and Greek Annotation about the Daughter of Babylon verses.–) (Warning: There are 223 verses on 69 pages).

There have been many claims as to what the Daughter of Babylon is. I have heard claims of the ancient city of Babylon, Rome and even the Catholic Church or New York City. Mr. Price gives 23 clues and the scriptures for each as to what the Daughter of Babylon is. Here are just a few:

• Is the Daughter of Babylon the same as the Mother of Babylon?
• The Hammer of the Whole Earth
• A Latter Day Nation
• A Nation of Wealth and Luxury
• You who live on many waters
• Center of World Commerce
• The Great Voice
• They are Mad Upon Your Idols
• Where other Nations Gather
• She Has Been Proud Against the Lord

The above list is only 10 of the 23 clues. Mr. Price goes into these clues in detail, explaining why he believes America fits the description as the Daughter of Babylon, and why these verses rule out other countries and entities. These clues are very helpful, as is his explanation of how various scriptures just can’t be applied to certain places like ancient Babylon or Rome. If you believe that the Daughter of Babylon is in fact ancient Babylon, Rome or some other place or entity, please read his book and see how his arguments stack up.

 
How Does God View The Daughter of Babylon?

In this chapter the immorality of the Daughter of Babylon is mentioned, they are:

• Abortion
• Pornography
• Adultery/Divorce
• Same Sex Marriage
• Violence
• Drug Culture
• Witchcraft
• Sumptuous, Self-Indulgent Lifestyles
• Other Abomination

 
Summarization of the Future of America

This article is getting a little long, so I am going to summarize a few key points that need to be made. Mr. Price mentions a book called Eye to Eye, Facing the Consequences of Dividing Israel. This book lists several times over the last twenty years where America has tried to force Israel to give up land and explains how God has judged us each and every time, usually within a single day. These are natural disasters, from Katrina to the economic crash in 2008. I’ve heard these claims before and was skeptical, but when we ask Israel to give up land twenty times and each of those twenty times, we face historic weather events and economic ruin, well, let’s just say I’m more of a believer now.

There is prophesy starting in Ezekiel 38, where Gog and Magog along with a host of other nations attack Israel. I’m not going to go into great detail, but Mr. Price describes how Russia, Iran and many other nations may attack Israel, and how America will turns its back on her, ignoring the treaty we’ve had for many years.

Because of this, God curses America, lifting the protection He has provided for so many years. Mr. Price goes on to explain that the Jihadists have asked for and have been granted permission from their clerics to use nuclear weapons on Americans. They have also attained a nuclear Fatwa, which is added as attachment A to The End of America. He also explains that Jihadists could seek nuclear weapons from Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Libya and Russia.

In Revelation 18:8 we’re told:

“Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her: death, mourning and famine. She will be consumed by fire, for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.”

Mr. Price explains how from scripture he believes that multiple nuclear detonations on key American cities including:

• America’s national capitol – Washington DC
• America’s financial capital – New York
• America’s major oil refineries
• America’s cultural pollution capitol – Hollywood, Las Vegas, Los Angeles
• For good measure the major centers of commerce, Chicago, Seattle, Houston, Atlanta, Miami, Boston and so on.

As he points out it, it would take more than just a few nukes to bring down America, so he believes there will be an EMP as well. While true terrorist groups don’t have the missile capabilities to put a nuclear tipped missile into the American ionosphere, they could purchase missiles easier than they could the nuclear bomb to arm it. Both could be purchased from countries that are not friendly to America and, as I have covered in other articles, the nuke doesn’t need to be launched from a country thousands of miles away. They could load the nuke on a specially fitted cargo ship and launch it a hundred miles off of the coast of the USA. He says that this could result in millions of deaths during and immediately following the attack. Those not killed will face radiation sickness and a lack of food.

Mr. Price spends a chapter explaining that God demands an accounting for innocent blood. He notes that in the 38 years since abortion was legalized, there have been roughly 700,000 homicidal deaths, and in that same timespan there have been roughly 53,000,000 (or 75 babies for every person) murdered.

He makes note that God says in Numbers 25:33:

“Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land, and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it.”

He makes the point that because of the innocent blood of millions of babies, God demands an accounting and we could lose just as many American lives.
 

Warning to Leave the Daughter of Babylon

Mr. Price says there are nine separate warnings to flee and lists the verses for them. Seven of them to Christians and nine to Jews, commanding His people to flee the Daughter of Babylon.

He also explains that the “religion of peace” will give the rest of the world a warning to accept Islam or suffer the same fate as America. Mr. Price explains how Christians will be executed in the last days and asks who beheads people in the modern day? That’s correct, the “religion of peace”. Mr. Price then gives a brief history explaining why Muslims behead people.

We are given a history of Christians and Jews immigrating to other countries to flee religious persecution. Mr. Price spends a chapter covering what a Christian might look for in a new homeland.

John Price is not a prepper. In emailing, he said he sees it as something contrary to following Gods command to flee. I happen to disagree with John. I believe that God has called many of us to prepare. Even if I come to same conclusion Mr. Price has, deciding to leave America, I will still prep where ever I live. I’m not preparing just for the downfall of America, I prepare for the myriad of things that can and do happen every day, up to and including unemployment, floods and wildfires.

 
My Take:

Trudee and I spent a lot of time talking about the possibility of America being the Daughter of Babylon, and the implications from it. I knew early on that this was something I wanted to talk to all of you about. To be honest, while I think my Biblical knowledge is above average, it isn’t deep enough to answer the important questions I have. I know I need to study this material and I am hoping some of you will be willing to read the book and study it along with me.

If we come to a different conclusion than Mr. Price did, we’ve only wasted a small bit of time and will gain Biblical knowledge. If, however, we come to the same conclusions, there are some very, very big implications we must face.

I love America. I thank God frequently for the privilege of being born here. The thought of moving to another country saddens and overwhelms me. I honestly have a hard time wrapping my mind around it. However, while I have a very hard time hearing God’s voice in the moment, there have been two times where I have clearly known He was telling me this: “Do not put your love of country before me!” The first time was a few years ago, the second was while reading this book.

Are we considering moving? We want to be obedient. If further prayer and study tells us that the USA is in fact the daughter Babylon, yes, we’ll consider it or more.

Trudee and I were talking about the implications of this book and decided that we first needed to make sure we came to the same conclusions after study and prayer. We decided if we came to the same conclusion, we had to make the choice to leave or face the coming destruction. I felt convicted. When the God of the Universe tells you to do something, there isn’t an “if you want to” attached to it. It is a command!

If the scriptures on the Daughter of Babylon and the commands to leave are, in fact, aimed at America, the commands are no different than the commands God gave the Jews when taking them to the Promised Land. Remember what happened when they disobeyed?

I have studied prophecy and I have spent considerable time researching, thinking about and writing on what effect various threats may impact America. I have seen quotes by numerous American leaders, some in very high positions saying that it is not “if”, but “when” America is attacked with nuclear weapons (conventional or dirty bombs).

I believe it is very possible, if not probable that nuclear weapons could be smuggled in via ship, as only 3% of cargo is inspected. They could also be brought in through our ridiculously porous borders. I also know that EMP is a very real concern and is something our government is worried about.

There are some consequences to a nuclear attack that were not mentioned. The main one is the damage to nuclear power plants. They have generators that will run the cooling systems, with enough diesel to run for two weeks. If, after those two weeks, the power is not restored or more diesel brought in, we will see multiple Fukushima’s all over the country.
 

Closing

I hope you’ll get a copy of this book and join me in the forum to study and pray over these issues. If you join in reading this book and the study of the related scripture, please continually be asking for the Fathers guidance and wisdom for us as a group.

 
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Comments

  1. Thanks for the info and the links, I look forward to reading the book.

  2. I tend to be skeptical about placing America into end-times prophecy in any measure. That said, the current path of our country is clearly headed towards God’s judgement. In my studies and readings anything resembling America is absent from end-times prophecy and for those who do try to place it – it is found in the midst of the judgements of the tribulation. As a pre-trib rapture believing individual, I will have already ‘bugged out” by that time.

    • Chris Ray says:

      I have been skeptical as well, but John Price makes a good argument.

      As far as being bugged out by that time, he makes a very good argument why America will be judged before the rapture.

      I recommend holding of judgment until you read the book and see his take on prophecy and scripture.

      • wandakate says:

        ELIZABETH: In my opinion John would be correct. America will be judged and we’re not going anywhere before that happens. We can expect trials and tribulations and we can expect to see the Antichrist and the False Prophet as well. The scriptures do not take Christians out.

        JESUS prayed to the FATHER that he would protect us but not remove us, and that is what he will do and in his own timing and not ours.

        We’ve been taught that there is an escape route and that we don’t have to worry about anything like the mark of the beast because we are going to be raptured out before any of that takes place, and sorry to say it is not Biblical.

        There is no escape route, no magic bus or train or plane that is going to take us anywhere. We are all in this together, and to think otherwise would be to deceive ourselves and to believe Satan’s lie. Satan came to destroy and deceive us and to lie to us, and that he has done.

        I will try to find the book and read it, but I am already thinking that he (John) and I are on the same page for the most part.

        • I agree, we will all go through the most horrible time’s man’s inhumanity to man has or will ever create. That being said, I look forward to the final day when Jesus will be seen by all. My research leads me to agree with what is posted here. But, I will add one other scenario which I believe will occur. When this nation is at it’s weakest point, I expect to see an all out nuclear attack by China and Russia. It will be our utter destruction as a nation leading to massive death and destruction. But not total. It is for this reason I urge everyone who wants to stay in the game to pray and prep. Be educated on nuclear preparedness. It’s rather easy really, but mandatory to react properly immediately. Get density between you and the world. Three feet of dirt, two feet of concrete. Limit your exposure, thirty minutes or more in a radiated area will kill you. Get and stay protected for three to four days. The center basement area of a large building may function. The radiation half life is such that after nine hours, the radiation is down to a tenth of the earlier total. This is why the first reaction is so important. Research the basics, it’s easy to understand and prepare for. What’s really sad, if the truth be known. Our government will have likely ok’d this attack and their retailtory attack will be upon agreed upon targets. Sounds crazy, but consider that Obama told Medved to tell Putin to hold on, after the election he will be able to…… or that our gov. delivered China our manufacturing base and our technological edge to their military as well. Why would we do this? For the same reason our government created the UN and wrote the plan to disarm all the world’s peoples to usher in a one world government. Sound crazy? Research “freedom from war”, start with the John Birch society’s take on this. It’s eye opening and explains the NSA and the fruit of our government.

          • Chris Ray says:

            I’m not sure see an all out attack from China and Russia, they want our natural resources. An EMP would cripple us, and they could pick things clean after a few months.

            But I suppose just about anything is possible.

          • I can’t wait to read this book as I seek biblical spotlights to my own research. I have reached conclusions similar to the above. I could not have discovered some items without some intervention. However, I have been voraciously reading other biblical and non-biblical reference points to reach my conclusion. Here are a couple (I will try to post more later):
            - Joel Skousen, nephew of Cleon Skousen and the author of several books – including strategic relocation which covers the safest areas in the US and abroad. You can watch a youtube video where alex jones interviews him about the book. He takes a biblical view point. There is only one area that I disagree with him – the timeline. He refuses to establish a timeline but implies that we have a couple of years.
            - Four Blood Moons by Hagee – it outlines the enormously rare cosmic events that are about to take place and relates them back to scripture. The first of which starts 4/15/14. See Luke 21. Notice (he did not mention this) that this date totals up to 33. The illuminati love to plan events for dates that equal 33 (or multiples of 3 and/11).
            - the website http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com, I was skeptical of this at first and prayed for discernment. And have come to believe that this woman in Ireland is a prophet. It is a lot to digest but you all should at least be aware of it. Just search “USA” or “America”. Watch the dates. For example, you can see that the activity around the Pope before and after converges into the tribulation time period. Which, I believe the clock started around December 28, 2012. 45 days afterwards the Pope “Little Horn” was instated on March 13, 2013. Also, run a search on “nuclear” it is discussed. The one aspect I could not reconcile as a Protestant is the role of Mary. But I have moved past that point and have accepted it as it does not change the Truth.

            I have read tons of other reference books but I will try to integrate some of my learnings/understandings from other sources once I have read the focus of the thread.

            I will refrain from commenting any more until I read the book – but I will say this – if you are going to relocate – other than skousen’s view point you really do not have a lot of time left.

            I have learned this though – it takes some work to break through to the other side. Lots of prayer for discernment, wisdom and serenity. Because when you reach the truth about how satan has constructed this world around us and his plans – The only consolation and protection is Jesus himself because he is the Truth, the light and the way.

          • Chris Ray says:

            Any time I see the word “illuminati” my skeptic meter rises. I know there are secret organization, but I have a hard time believing that one group, could pull string all over the world.

            That said, I still appreciate your insight, please head over to the forums for future discussion.

          • btw, Joel Skousen very clearly discusses, documents and outlines the nuclear threat + most likely targets. it is very real and could greatly affect your relocation plans. he has a news letter as well. He is thorough and details. It is worth the read. I do not have any relation to him. Although, I would want to ride this out in his bunker…

          • Chris Ray says:

            have any direct links by chance?

          • Joel Skousen book in relation to relocation –
            http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Relocation–North-American-Places-Edition/dp/1568612621/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1388688119&sr=8-1&keywords=skousen

            Cleon Skousen – it is outlined in the Grinding Down of America (Free to watch on Vimeo) Just search internet for Skousen and 43 Goals to see how successful they have been. The book was published in 1958…

            http://www.amazon.com/The-Naked-Communist-Series-Volume/dp/148267789X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388688476&sr=8-2&keywords=cleon+skousen

            Illuminati – is an entirely differently subject but to start a path but if you want a quick run down of how the lower level operate to infiltrate our culture – watch on You Tube “The Music Industry Exposed”. It is a start. The evidence is everywhere. I could go on for a long time about them. I would caution you to not reject outright the existence and their ability to influence the free will of man. Understanding who they are and what they want is key to understanding the dark side’s view of what has happened, is happening, and will happen. after all that is what this battle is about…
            I will now stop posting until I have read the above book so that I don’t hijack the thread. I do not want to distract. I apologize for any distraction thus far.

          • Chris Ray says:

            No worries on posting thus far. It just gets hard to follow a conversation in comments, and is much easier in a forum.

  3. Elizabeth says:

    I spent many years as a strong-willed, argumentative “pre-trib” rapturist, because that was what I was taught. Then I began to dig into scriptures for myself. My belief system has changed – considerably, although I’d rather believe in a pre-trib rapture – so much easier for Believers, anyway. However, I do not find “easy” to be consistent with either the Holy Scriptures, or church history.

    Flee to another country? For what? When “The Antichrist” takes over, his reign and his evil will be worldwide. Where ya’ gonna hide? No, I’ll stay right here and let it fall where it may, knowing that I am ever in His care, regardless of circumstances. Not criticizing anyone else’s choice to do otherwise; but this is the choice I make.

    • Chris Ray says:

      why go to another country? I want to be obedient, and IF God has told me to flee, I believe He has more for me to do.

    • tadbitangelny says:

      I agree with Elizabeth, where are you going to run to, when God decides to cast his judgement it will be world wide not just America. Do you truly believe there is a country out there that is without sin that will be protected? There isn’t. I’m going to listen to what my heart has been saying for years and that is to be prepared. God has been telling me for years there will come a time of reckoning and we will all face judgement day. If it is his will to take my life I will die with a smile on my face knowing I will soon be in the presence of his love forever. Good luck to all of you.

      • Chris Ray says:

        You’re missing the point. If America is the Daughter of Babylon, He has said to leave. If America is, and you choose to stay, yes, you’ll be in His presence sooner. But what if He wants you to leave because He has something for you to do in another country?

        There are several other countries that have far less sin than America. Will they still incur judgment, yes probably. Will Christians still be persecuted in them in the end times? Again, yes probably. But in my book neither of those are a good enough reason to disobey God.

        It’s not about finding a safe haven, it’s about following His command.

        • wandakate says:

          JESUS said that all his commands were forever. We like to think that all those commands were just for the Jews, but they were actually for all of his followers and Christians. Then the truth is that if we intend to “obey” then we must do it wholeheartedly. We must obey “all” of his commandments, not just the ones that nicely fit into our lifestyle. We agree that one commandment is relevant but another one is not, or was done away with at the cross.
          The whole truth is that there were “NO” commandments done away with at the cross, they were for all of us, forever, until JESUS comes again.

          I absolutely agree with it not being about finding a safe haven, but about following His commands, but that is an “all or nothing deal”. If you follow on that one but you fail on another one, then you failed as he said, “If you have broken one of the least of these commandments, you have broken them all”. They were all the same to him, they were not separated.

  4. wandakate says:

    We fit right in with his description of the daughter of Babylon. We can check out everything on that list.

    We don’t obey GOD for the most part. We’ve put him on the back burner. We celebrate Pagan Holidays instead of the feast of the LORD, and we are deceived in many ways.

    Could we be, yes absolutely we could be. This study will be very interesting as well as informative. It touches on many of the things that I have studies since 2000.

  5. Call me EXTREMELY skeptical. I’ve read this kind of stuff before. It never works out like the author says, which leads to the author’s revision, which leads to more revisions & more revisions. In the end, the biggest consequence is to fill the pockets of the author – which is why I will not buy the book.

    However, I do agree that we’re likely to see the end of America as we know it today. The piling up of debt is reaching the pt where it can no longer be kicked down the road. THe idea that we can spend our way out of debt, is ridiculous. The world is getting tired of our inconsistent attempts to be the world’s policeman, & it’s just a matter of time b/4 our national finances won’t permit it. Social Security, medicare, obamacare – enjoy them while they last, b/c they won’t last another generation or two. When our grand-kids get to be our age, they will experience a vastly different nation.

    • Chris Ray says:

      I am very skeptical on any thing related to the end times and prophecy. I have seen so many people make claims that simply came up empty. But in this book John just points out the scripture related and shows how the USA matches the scripture. He does make some claims about what he believes will happen to bring America down, this may or may not happen, but if the USA is the daughter of Babylon, the Bible tells us some really bad things are going to happen to her.

      I am right with you on us not being able to continue on the path we’re on.

  6. Greg Kendhammer says:

    Chris have you heard of Endtimes Ministry Mr.Erwin Baxter check out his take on prophsey

  7. Hi Chris,
    Although I haven’t read Price’s book, those views aren’t new to him. Those dark glasses were lightened a little for me many years ago. Glad he has put it together in book form. I’ll have to read it. America as we know it will be destroyed, before the end, it’s just a matter of time. There is no place safe on this planet without Jesus. To “flee” doesn’t always mean physically….the Bible tells us not to be a part of this world many times and in many places. When the dominoes begin to fall quickly, no physical “place” will be safe. Look up.

    • Chris Ray says:

      “There is no place safe on this planet without Jesus.”

      Amen

    • wandakate says:

      ADW: Yes, when the going gets rough there is not going to be a physical place to hide. If anyone feels they need to move out of the U.S.A. and can do that then that is what they must do, but in my opinion we won’t be any safer overseas than we are here. It’s all still part of the world.

      Does the Bible not say, “The whole world will follow the beast”? So, the Antichrist and his partner the false prophet will be everywhere, it says the whole world which includes anywhere one might venture to overseas.

      Mountains will move and seas will roar at the sound of his name. The only preparing we can do is a “spiritual preparedness”. We must know that our hearts are right. He wanted us to call on him and worship him in spirit and in truth. He asked us to obey him also and most of us don’t come close. We need to know that it’s CHRIST the solid rock in which we stand. All the other ground will be sinking sand. Moving away makes no sense to me. If he wants me protected he will protect me, if not then it’s over. I have to say, “Thy will be done”.

      The United States has been a super-power and the police of the world, but we are gradually losing our super-power status and will no longer be up where we once were. Our government is corrupt, our leaders lie on every corner and one just needs to turn on the television and see Miley Cyrus strutting herself across the stage at the awards show acting like a dog in heat to know that we have no morals left, so GOD is going to show us his power and give us a huge wake up call in the next few years ahead.

  8. Son of Liberty says:

    Chris,

    I appreciate the article, thank you much. It obviously struck a responsive chord in your heart and that of your DW.

    I again appreciate you reading the book, DISCOVERY TO CATASTROPHE, and note some significant parallels of this book with those parts I addressed.

    I also note in your comments to various persons some of the items I addressed in DISCOVERY TO CATASTROPHE coming through in your answers. That Iran can send a nuclear tipped missile to the US from a specially designed cargo ship in the gulf, that other major world players may attack us because they are attracted to our abundant resources, along with other issues. Feel free to promote them as you see they fit in with biblical apocalyptic truth.

    I seldom read other books on end time events because I don’t want them to unduly influence my thinking on other books I am in the process of writing, but from your review, I will make an exception for this one.

    Thanks again, and blessings upon you.

    Son of Liberty

  9. We are taught to watch for signs and stirrings of the final hour. Certainly there are many among us who feel the signs are becoming more frequent and powerful. If a soul truly feels they are called by God to move to another country, by all means do so. I suspect the safest place one can reside, however, is within a deep, active faith…leading a holy life. I have wrestled with this idea of fleeing to safer ground whether it be a mountain top or a foreign land and slowly came to the conclusion via prayer that I am to remain where The Lord has put me. I do honor your process of also trying to figure this out and I am touched you would be so generous as to share it with all of us. Let us all pray for one another that we can discern the Lord’s voice within our own hearts as to His Divine Will for us in these changing times.

    • Chris Ray says:

      I have no problem with someone seeking Gods will and following His leading. I know God asked some of us to prepare, and others to depend on Him for manna.

      I appreciate the prayers!

  10. Dare Tuitt says:

    Regarding “Leave America”…events may overtake us soon anyway. Drudge is now running the story that Ariel Sharon’s condition has worsened (http://www.timesofisrael.com/ariel-sharons-condition-deteriorates/). Do you remember Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri’s message left to his followers after he died in 2006, that Jesus IS the Messiah and that He would return to earth after Ariel Sharon dies? Even so, come Lord Jesus!

  11. Hi Chris – as one of your non-US subscribers I thought you may be interested in the British take on the US and where she appears to be heading from our prospective.
    Uncle Sam has always intrigued me as both the worlds most clearly defined Christian nation, but at the same time (and I mean you no disrespect) the worlds moral cesspit. I too believe America’s greatness as a nation – stems from her unflinching support of Israel. However in the recent past something has changed and the US seems to be turning from her support of Israel. Even though many here in Britain & Europe have experienced similar financial constraints and in southern Europe economic turmoil – The sense of hopelessness and fear which appears to be coming from the US is something altogether worse than is being seen here.
    I truly believe God raises nations up to greatness and humbles those who turn from him and his blessings.
    People are beginning to express the feeling that the US has had it’s time in the sun and having grown fat and complacent with her own might – even to the point of now supporting enemies instead of Gods chosen people.
    Is about to be removed from centre-stage. I’ve encountered several folks on this side of the pond – who are actively suggesting that the US and her absence from the End-times arena are about to be explained and played out on our TV screens.
    There is a rumour afoot that a deal is being struck between the EU and the American administration to offer a safe-haven to shall we say “the elite” in return for military support to the newly formed EU defence force. (circumnavigating NATO and our non-EU allies). – “Conspiracy – who knows!”
    Even among Preppers here – there is active discussion of the US – teetering on the verge of economic collapse. And all that needs to bring it about is some form of major disaster / event – either natural or manmade.
    It feels now like there’s a real sense here of whatever It was that has inspired individual Preppers to prep – is going to begin with the US and the effects will then knock on to the rest of the world.
    It always used to be the joke – when the US sneezes the rest of the world get a cold.
    Daughter of Babylon – As an idea it fits in with that sense.
    I will read the book with keen interest, and thanks for the suggestion.

    • Chris Ray says:

      I do appreciate you insight. Maybe it shouldn’t, but I am often surprised at the news about the USA that comes out from other countries.

      If you come across any articles that you think I would appreciate, please send me a link.

      Join us on the forum after you read the book.

    • Hamilton:
      no offense taken. We have been saying the same ourselves.
      You stated: “The sense of hopelessness and fear which appears to be coming from the US is something altogether worse than is being seen here.” This could come from several reasons. First, The higher you are the further you fall. Second, The wars of the 20th century were not on our homeland. We had depression, but not as bad as other countries. Third, related to one, We have become complacent and lazy and fat. Fourth, Many people are seeing the “writing on the wall” and know it is going to be a bumpy ride at best. Fifth, When people yell “death to America” and burn your flag and call you the great satan and promise over their dead children they will destroy you, you take them at their word.

      • Chris Ray says:

        “When people yell “death to America” and burn your flag and call you the great satan and promise over their dead children they will destroy you, you take them at their word.”

        If you have any sense you do.

  12. Col Marko says:

    Very interesting all that is going on.. I commend you for preparing and teaching others to prepare…BOTH Physically and Spiritually, that is the KEY…
    Preparing physically means NOHTHING if you don’t have a relationship with God..

    The comments that Dare Tuitt made are pretty too the point. When Sharon went to give away part of Israel’s land, look what happened, and every time the U.S. pushed for land to be given away and did give it away, we suffered here as well.

    I have a white paper on the Ten Commandments I would like to send you, please e-mail and I will send it to you if you wish…

    God Bless, you, your family and your ministry. May He strengthen you and your wife so BOTH of you can hear the call He has placed up on you…

    Col. Marko

    • Chris Ray says:

      Thank you for the blessing.

      I would like to read the whitepaper, my email is chris (at) preparedchristian (dot) net

  13. Col Marko says:

    Just a “quick comment” on where to be….
    We are to be where GOD puts us, that is OUR Goshen during
    these times, BUT, if the time comes to leave, I am sure if we are
    listening, HE will tell us…. Just as He has told some of us to start
    preparing 3 years ago..

    God Bless.

  14. Interesting article. I cant see a country to flee too…because even “Christian” countries have similar attributes of decline for morals and manners that have passed away from much of the land. I think people should study for themselves. The Word of God is accurate and meant for today. People need to read and understand that terrible days are coming. The time draws near.
    Yes there will be war….a big one …it will be the war to end all wars and that’s when Jesus makes his return…otherwise the world would disappear. Look to the testament of the new Jerusalem and peace on earth for the millennium reign..The Word of God is as keen as it was when each portion was written, and it applies even more real today in these unnerving times. Be strong and of good courage.

    • Chris Ray says:

      Sure there is no perfect country, but there are many that have not brought on the kind of sin that much of America almost celebrates.

      Yes we are told that a war to end all wars is coming, and many other things to shake societies of all kinds.

      • tadbitangelny says:

        Really what country is that? All countries have in some shape or form turned away from God and indulged in self-centered, celebrity worshiped, techno stupors. The whole world has become a cesspool of vanity, greed and lustful control over others. Name me one of your wholesome places.

        • Chris Ray says:

          there is no truly wholesome place, but there are places that are like America was 20-50 years ago. There are many Central and South American countries that have zero or no abortion. Mr. Price lists many of them in the book. In Belize abortion is limited, I believe its only allowed in the cases where the mothers life is in danger. Homosexuality is also against the law in Belize.

  15. I just signed up for the forums, and I also just ordered the Kindle copy of the book. I also have a copy of the study questions. Now I have to register for the class – if I can figure out how to do that!
    I have had serious questions about a lot of what has been discussed here. I was raised in a Christian home – my father was a pastor. I have since questioned some of the things I was taught. Now I am going back and searching the scriptures to see if it was all true or a misconception. The rapture – pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib – all is a question in my mind. I don’t want to believe anything unless I see it spelled out in God’s word. Short of that, I plan to keep my mind open for the truth. The truth will set me free – a promise. Meanwhile, I prep!

    • Chris Ray says:

      I’m glad you got the book and are joining on the forum.

      I was raised much the same way, and began struggling with what I was taught growing up. I did my own study and prayer and think its a great idea that you are doing the same.

  16. So many prophecies coming to life. I just read John Hagee’s book on the Four Blood Moons coming in April of 2014 and ending in the spring of 2015. Every Blood Moon aligns with a specific major Jewish holiday, plus a total solar eclipse dead center in the middle. Every time this happens and it has only happened seven times in all of recorded history, the jewish people have come under severe persecution. Do an Internet search about Blood Moons and Jewish holidays; lots of information will come to life as your search this topic out. Interesting part is that it is all verified by NASA. Best start preparing! We can all see it coming, we just don’t know what “it” is. This may give a clue.

    • Chris Ray says:

      This is new to me, I’ll try to take a look at it.

    • wandakate says:

      JOHN O: It is truly amazing about the 4 blood moons and the fact that they all fall on a Holy day. They are GOD’s Holy feast days, not just for the Jews.

      Did Hagee tell us what he thinks will happen here if anything, or did he specify it was just something that will affect the Holy Land area? I did not read that book.

      I have known about the blood moons for awhile and have been telling people but I’m not sure what will happen here if anything. Must keep an eye open and ears too and maybe find out. If you know, post it and we can read it. Thanks…

  17. Hi Chris. I’ve only been following your posts for a month or so – hadn’t even looked further at your site to know you had forums! I just looked, though, and don’t see a forum for “Have We Been Warned to Flee America”. Quite honestly, I’m still what I would call a “baby Christian”, and this is all so overwhelming to me. I’ve only been prepping for a short time, and feel overwhelmed by that, as it is…especially since my husband isn’t really on-board with it yet. I honestly haven’t ever participated in a forum, so I don’t even know how that works! I don’t want to overlook or back-burner something that could be important, though, so I thought I’d follow the forum for a bit, while chipping away at the endofamericabook.com site. Am I just not seeing the forum, or has it not yet been established? Thanks!

    • Chris Ray says:

      Wow you have lots of life changing things taking place. Welcome to the Christian family and I’m glad to hear you’ve started prepping. I know things can get overwhelming, but try not to let it. You have done the two most important things, you’ve accepted Christ, and you’ve started prepping. I am working on redoing the “new to prepping section” and that will have some steps to take that can get you started without anxiety.

      As to the forums, you need to register to be able to see the forum. I highly recommend joining, and reading over content from other people. when I started prepping I joined several and just read any and every post that sounded even a little interesting. If you have a question, it is also a very good place to get help from the members.

  18. I ordered the Kindle book, but I don’t see where to sign up for the forum. Can you help, please?

  19. I grew up being taught the rapture comes in the middle of the tribulation. Now I believe in pre-trib. Can anyone explain the Bible verse that says The Holy Spirit will be taken out of the world during the trib? Do we Christians have the Holy Spirit living within us? We are promised He will never leave us nor forsake us. Therefore, how can we be in the trub unless His promise is not true. He would have to leave us if the Holy Spirit is taken out. This is why I believe in pre-trib. Thess. speaks about being caught up in the clouds to meet him in the air. This does not refer to His 2nd coming.

    • Chris Ray says:

      Vicki I can’t remember which verses the two you quote are from, can you fill me in?

    • Vicky is referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7
      Evil is currently being restrained by the Holy Spirit and the antichrist (man of lawlessness) cannot be revealed until this restraining influence is removed…

      • Chris Ray says:

        Thank you for giving me the verse, I have read it, but haven’t memorized it. I don’t see how that verse as belonging to any eschatological belief, but just an overall statement on what needs to take place before the antichrist can be revealed.

      • wandakate says:

        VICKY: Where did you get that information about the restrainer being the Holy Spirit? You may have been told that by a pastor or someone at a church.

        I have studied that and it’s actually says in scripture that the restrainer is a “HE”. And “HE” must be removed, in other words taken out of the way. That would not be the Holy Spirit as the Holy Spirit is “a spirit”.

        It’s the guardian of the church and it’s Michael the Archangel. The LORD will remove him (the restrainer) at that time. Michael was set over the church, the body of CHRIST, the little flock, the children of the MOST HIGH. Therefore Michael will be commanded by GOD to step aside as he was the one who was in charge of the church all along.

        I hope this clears this up. Irvin Baxter discussed the “restrainer” on his program and a Messianic Jewish Rabbi also said that it is Michael the Archangel.

        Blessings, WR

    • wandakate says:

      VICKI: I did answer you question about the “restrainer”. Hope you read that. I had asked you where you had gotten your information?

      Would sure appreciate your reply…

  20. grammyprepper says:

    Thanks for sharing Chris, I will get the ebook and join the forum once I’ve read it. As a “baby” Christian, I may have more questions than opinions. This has certainly been a lively topic!

  21. Chris,

    I read this book about a year ago. Its message is very compelling, yet it wasn’t powerful enough to convince me that I should pull up stakes and get my family out of the country. I’m reminded of the scripture that tells us “those who love this life will lose it…” I am compelled to stay here and fight the good fight right where God has put me (while prepping for the worst). That said, I will join the forum and be happy to go through the study, as I know I always need to remain open to what/where God calls me.

    I also recommend a book I read more recently, called “Understanding Eschatology and Why it Matters” by Rob Dalrymple. I know the author personally, and have also heard him speak several times (he is on the teaching team at our church). Like Rob, you and other comment posters here, I was raised with the typical Protestant/Pentecostal/Evangelical teaching of being saved by a pre-trib rapture. I’m not so sure anymore. While that could be true, the US could be long gone, even before that event. None of us know His exact timing, which is why we should all be prepping. Some remnant may remain after judgement on our Nation. Believers will be needed then more than ever! I’m reminded of how God used Cory Ten Boom during the Holocaust.

    Regarding the mystery Babylon, Rob defines it more broadly, as being western culture. The key point I got out of his book, is that we Christians are at risk of becoming too focused on the end times and prophecy. while losing focus on the fact that we are called to a mission – to be an integral part of God’s plan of restoration of His original creation (go forth and make disciples).

    A final thought that comes to mind regarding the prediction of a nuclear judgement on our Nation, is the recent geological activity in Yellowstone. That super volcano going off could do far more damage to the U.S., and ultimately impact the world just as fast as any type of nuclear attack. While God has, and certainly could use man’s technology to bring our Nation’s coming judgement, it seems more likely to me, that He’d use His own might. Of course, I wouldn’t rule out either scenario.

    • Chris Ray says:

      The way I se it is that if the USA is the daughter of Babylon, it’s not a matter of wanting to keep a life. In Revelation 18:4 God commands people to flee the daughter of Babylon, so moving out now is being obedient, not just trying to save ones life.

      Please do join in on the forum, I want all sides of this issue looked at and probed.

      • wandakate says:

        CHRIS: Allow me to put in my 2 cents on leaving. You said the scripture commands people to flee.

        It doesn’t mean a “physical” fleeing. It’s a “mental” fleeing. It’s to flee the ways of this evil world. It’s leaving Babylon so to speak in your heart and in you mind, your actions. It’s getting away from all the pollution of the world and the sins of man. Instead of celebrating pagan feast and sun-gods, we honor him by celebrating the feast of the LORD that we were commanded to honor.

        It’s sacrificing for his sake. It’s giving up some things that we want to please him. It’s no doing the things that the world is involved in but in doing the will of GOD and being in obedience to him and his commands.

        It’s like knowing that countless grope in darkness and giving attention to his commands, we assert our allegiance to JESUS CHRIST and his church and it’s activities. Attempting with GOD’s help to abide in him through prayer, advance in wisdom by Bible study, and acknowledge our stewardship of time, money, and personality. It means to adorn ourselves with good works and accept the challenge of the great commission. It doesn’t mean to get up and leave, it means to stay where he put us and serve him to the best of our ability until he comes for us.

        Hope this makes some sense to you.

        • Chris Ray says:

          While I agree we should mentally flee to the Lord, I disagree that this is the type of fleeing that is mentioned. I can’t recall a single reference from scripture where this would be the case, but I can recall several where God commanded people to flee and He meant to physically go.

          • Chris. I just finished reading the book…and I agree with you! I believe we ARE being warned to flee…as are the Jews who currently live in the U.S…..this book was amazing and I’m going to recommend it to several friends and family.
            I’ll see y’all on the forum! :)

          • Chris Ray says:

            Glad you liked it, and to have you on the forum as well.

  22. Jim Moore says:

    Got the book, as well as 2 of his fiction series A Novel of America in the Last Days.
    I read The End of America when it first came out but was in a whole different frame of mind then. Will reread and try to join the discussion.
    Blessings!

    • Chris Ray says:

      Thanks Jim. I would like to know if you have a different take on things the second time through, and if so, why.

  23. after reading your article i couldn’t sleep last night. it all seemed to make sense. i can’t wait to get the book. you might read revelation chapter 12. God has a prepared place. please write more about this.

    • Chris Ray says:

      The book gave me a couple of restless nights too. Not out of fear mind you, but because of putting pieces together, and thinking about all of the ramifications.

      I don’t know that I’ll write another article on this specific topic, but come on over to the forums, there is an entire subforum on the topic.

      In the book Discovery to catastrophe the author goes into the place God has prepared. This is the first fiction book that intertwines scripture with preparedness.

  24. Louise Bennett says:

    I am presently reading the book…..very interesting..checking out the Bible references he gives…

  25. In John 16:8-15, Jesus referred to the HS as “He” many times. So unless your verse actually says Michael the Archangel, how do you interpret it Not to mean the HS. And aren’t angels also spirits? Did you get this from a book or the Bible?

    • Chris Ray says:

      The truth is the Bible just says “he”, so we can only guess what is meant. I tend to think it is referring to the Holy Spirit though. But I don’t see the verse as God ripping the Holy Spirit out of believers. I see it as the Holy Spirit stepping out of the way and letting the antichrist come forward.

      If this verse is about being raptured, will the people who come to Jesus after the rapture not have the Spirit of God dwelling in them?

      • wandakate says:

        Michael the Archangel was the guardian and still is. Until “he” is taken out of the way is what it means. The Holy Spirit will always be with the believer as long as they believe.

        The Antichrist will come forward at GOD’s chosen time. That is in the works now and is only a matter of time until he will be revealed. The Bible says that all the world will follow the beast. The entire world, not just the U.S.A. The first one will be the False Prophet and he will lead the New World Religion and perform miracles according to scripture, even to deceive the “elect” if possible. Who are the “elect”? The church, the Christian. Why would that scripture tell us that the false prophet or the Antichrist will deceive the “elect” if they were not going to be here? If the church was raptured out then they would not be here, meaning that sentence would not be necessary at all. Something to think on.

        The Holy Spirit was the comforter, that would lead us into all truth. GOD will not remove the Holy Spirit from within us. That would serve no purpose whatsoever.

    • wandakate says:

      VICKI: Michael the Archangel is the “he” that will be removed. As I told you earlier he is the guardian of the church. The Holy Spirit is not the guardian of the church. The Holy Spirit was something that would be given to believers. JESUS told the disciples that only after he left them, would send them the Holy Spirit, and it would lead them into all truth. So, it was to be the “comforter” to them and lead them to truth and knowledge, thus understanding of what was and what was not. It was to dwell inside of believers and would be there and stay there with them like a 5th sense. It would become a part of them. It was intended to comfort them, to give them peace in times of trouble.

      You never however told me where you heard that the Holy Spirit was the restrainer…You ask me a question without answering my question.

      • I’ll have to look it up for sure but isn’t it the verse we were talking about. I’d like to know where in Scripture it states Michael is the restrainer and rules over the church. I don’t remember the Apostle Paul saying anything about it and he is the only apostle that wrote specifically to the church and not to the Jews.

  26. Re the USA not being mentioned in the Bible, I believe we are the “Eagle” which IS in the Bible. We are preppimg to bug-in. I’ll have to get the book, I guess.

  27. patricia cowan says:

    I am interested in reading his book and taking part in discussion. I have the audio book Harbinger by Johnathan Cahn (forgive me if I spelled incorrectly) and I have read other books by prophets that USA will be judged plus I’ve read John Hagee book on the Four Blood Moons. The first one is coming up this April and it is about the same time John Kerry is pushing for peace in the mid. east…concerning Isreal and the Palestines and land. Everytime a blood moon falls on a Jewish Festival (which these 4 coming up through April this year until September 2015 things happen. If you haven’t yet read his book…I do so recommend it and the Harbinger too. Thank you for all you have written…as this is more knowledge and worth studying.

    • Chris Ray says:

      I read the Harbinger as well, and still would like to research to find out if the things he claims happened actually happened. I don’t mean with the prophet, and meeting with the book publisher. I’m curious if the government leaders actually said the things he claimed.

      Head over to the forums and join in on the conversation.

    • wandakate says:

      Patricia: Jonathan Cahn was at a seminar several times in 2012 and 2013 out in Missouri. I saw him each time. I read the book also. I believe what he said in it is true but of course there is no way to my knowledge that it is 100% accurate.

      He performed a Jewish wedding at one of his visits and re-married about 90 couples that day. It was interesting and not anything like we are used to seeing at an American wedding. I think that book “The Harbinger” is worth reading, it’s an amazing book and one could learn a lot from it if they had the understanding of it.

  28. I’ve been going back and forth on this for many years… there was a Messanic teacher by the name of Joseph Good that believed that America was the Babylon of Revelation back in the early 90s and had a really good argument for it. I too believe that America is the eagle in Daniel. So I think there is room for America in prophecy. We are certainly a mingled people and represent all of the peoples of the ancient world in one way or other. As for being called out. I believe the Rapture should take care of that for Christians. And I believe that Jewish people have been going to Israel for years. Joseph Good taught that there would be a mass migration of Jews to Israel after the Rapture. I have wondered about leaving the US, but with Americans and Christians being hated and targeted throughout the world, I think the time for that is now past.. We will be persecuted for our beliefs no matter where we go. As for our house, we will put our trust in the Lord. If He can save the early Christians out of Rome, and the thousands of others from the other horrible governments of the past. He is able to save us.

    • Chris Ray says:

      Let me clarify, the reason we should flee IF America is the daughter of Babylon is not to escape persecution, it is because God commands it.

    • It seems that many of the credible prophetic leaders and teachers, are saying that it’s the world’s economic structure that’s “the daughter of Babylon”: the ‘offspring’ so to speak, of the world system itself. Makes total sense to me. And much of that economy is based in NY City…. David Wilkerson, and many others have given some pretty dire prophetic warnings for NYC, most of them even before 9/11…which was just a warning, if we do not turn around as a nation, starting w/ the Church. Weneedarevival..

  29. Great article,and I just might get the book! I’ve been watching JimBakker’s show for over a yr now and he has LOADS of solid, prophetic info and guests on there, that I’m sure would interest most of your readers/members. He also says the Church will see a lot of troubles before we’re ‘outta here’…Jesus said n Matt 24 that “THIS GENERATION (the Church Age) will NOT pass away until all these things come to pass…” Of course in the long term, whether we end up w/ a ‘pre Trib’ or ‘mid Trib’ Rapture, we will still see a lot of trials and need to be prepared for “whatever”. Thanks so much for your site, and sharing this book!

    • Chris Ray says:

      My pleasure Cindy.

      I agree that we’ll see hard times. God never promised us easy, and Jesus said we would see trouble.

    • wandakate says:

      CINDY: I just read your comment and saw where you watch Jim Bakker. He put out a new book last year called “Time Has Come”. Jim is now 73, and Lori is 56. Jim turns 74 this year.
      Yes he does have a lot of guest on his show. I know a lot about the show as I was living out there for 16 months. I attended the show many time and saw Jonathan Cahn, Rick Joyner, John Shorey and Sid Roth.
      I am a writer and I published Morningside’s very first Recipe book for them while I was out there. It was used as a fund raiser for Lori’s house, the home for unwed mothers and their new babies which is not yet open. I paid for them and had 500 copies made. They purchased what I had left when I moved away in October of 2012. There were 360 left and they got all of those and are now selling them in the general store at Morningside. They were selling when I left for $14.99 each. If you would like one of them I still have some, and would be happy to sell you one. They have 79 recipes in them, including recipes from Jim and Lori, Kevin and his wife and Mama Char who is Lori’s mother. Clayton the keyboard player has 2 recipes in it and the rest of them are from people who live there, work there or volunteer there, for a total of 79. My own recipes are also in the book. Originally it was going to be my own recipe book, but then I thought of making it a fund raiser for Lori’s house.

      Just wanted to connect and say hi and see if you were interested in a book. You an reply to me and I will get back to you if you want to.

      • Wow…all those people, places…Lori’s House, all that: I watch their show daily, so I’m very familiar w/ all of them! I’m so excited that the Lord restored Jim Bakker , and has him doing what he’s doing.I do all I can. to spread the word and get others to tune in. My husband and I have considered making a trip up there at some point; we actually have an opportunity that would fit in w/ their ministry, for their partners. But I’m sure he is really hard to get to! ha We ordered their filter bottles (right before the new Rad ones came out), and hope to get a solar generator from them at some point. I’m actually way too tapped out on cookbooks…seeking to get rid of some, and collecting mostly organic/whole food recipes online that can be used for prepping..but thank you so much. We watch many of those peoples’ programs and read their books….what a small Kingdom, eh?

        • Oh..and I read Jim’s book Time Has Come…great read!

        • wandakate says:

          CINDY: Ok no recipe book, that’s fine. It has Lori’s house on the cover and on the back cover it has the front of Morningside. Jim did not attend the New Year’s Gala that they have every year in the building at the same place they have their daily show. He told people he was just too tired to attend. Some people are upset about that as this past Sunday they went on a month long vacation and were not at church either. People are wondering how he felt like going on vacation but didn’t attend on NYE.

          He only does shows now and that’s pretty much it. He used to preach, but he stopped that months ago, now it’s usually Kevin or some other guest speaker. Jim is most likely ready to retire shortly. Speculation has it that Lori will probably take over when Jim drops out.

          That is a big business out there. I did not agree with a lot that was going on and things so I left as I did not want to be involved in any of it. But I actually lived right there at the building for 16 mos.

          Jim is saying that the Antichrist will come “before” JESUS returns. He believes in preparing for the tribulation, that there is no escape route and that we will all be here for the bad of it. The reign of the False Prophet and the Antichrist will come and control the world and we will have to take the mark or else. He is not pre-trib at all, he says we are all going to be here and suffer and be persecuted. He also had Tom Horn on as a guest and I saw Tom. He has written many books with his friend who helps him. He says that the new pope is the False Prophet, and in just the right timing he will reveal himself and is not what he is pretending to be.

  30. I read the free part on Amazon and watched the videos on his webpage that is listed in the free preview. Very Interesting. I am usually sceptical about end times prophecies too. 100% of them have been wrong so far. But he did make some good arguments. I ordered the book. Kindle version is .99 cents.

    One quick observation from what I have read so far. Price mentions Luke 19:41-44 where Jesus weeps for Israel for their “lack of faith” or lack of fruit and the analogy of the fig tree. However, Price overlooks that Israel’s re-establishment in 1948 is also without faith. In my view, Israel, the fig tree, has been “planted” but is not producing fruit yet since it is mostly in unbelief and very secular. IMHO, we have not seen the “budding” yet. So we cannot start counting years for “this generation”. Besides, We need to see a revival before “all Israel can be saved” since there is only one Savior of mankind.
    I look forward to joining the forum.

  31. Daniel 12 –  1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
     - Bible KJV

    (The children of thy people) …This is written to and about the Jews, NOT the church. How does anyone get that Michael rules and cares for the church and he is the restrainer, from this scripture. I could only find 4 verses about Michael.

    Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel (the Jews). He was not sent to the Gentiles (the church).  (Matthew 15 –  22. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
     24. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
     - Bible KJV

    The disciples were also sent to the Jews only. Only Paul was sent to the Gentiles and started the church. Paul and Peter clashed on this because of the law.

    Propecy was for the Jews only. There is none for the church.
    The tribulation is to deliver the Jews, the ones who believe in Him and get their names in the book, after they go thru’ the tribulation.
    Therefore, The tribulation is not for the church.
    So how is the church not going to be there?
    Because of the rapture.
    Why would God want the church to go thru’ what he has planned for the Jews only? They are His people who have rejected Him.
    The true church has not rejected Him.
    Again…all OT prophecy is for the Jews.

    If you lump everyone together and haven’t separated what is recorded in the Bible, whether to the Jews or the church, you’ll never find the truth.
    All of Jesus’ teachings were to the Jews, not the Gentiles (church).
    Paul spent many years receiving Jesus’ teachings to repeat it to the Greeks. He called it his gospel 3 times in his letters.
    He teaches us that Christ is IN us. Many times he said “Christ in us.”
    Without checking this out, I believe Paul only wrote about the rapture and His 2nd coming regarding the end times. If I’m wrong, please show the scripture.

    This is also why I believe the Christians will be taken out of the world before the tribulation. It’s not for us.

    • Chris Ray says:

      no one really wrote on the rapture, save to say that we would all be “caught up”, which is mentioned one time. Many people touched on the end times, and we who followed have gotten into the discussion about pre, mid, post.

      Where in scripture can you point to the tribulation not being for believers? In Romans 11:17, 18 Paul tells us that the Gentiles were graphed into the Jewish tree, he warns us not to brag, and reminds us that we are not the root, but only a branch. I agree with you that the reason for the Tribulation is not for Christian, but I can’t see anything saying we’re exempt from it either.

      I know Revelation 9:4 says that the judgments that were coming were not for those who have the seal of God upon their heads.

  32. The tribulation is for the world as a whole. The Antichrist will make war with the saints. How will he make war with the saints, if the saints are not here at that time? That does not make sense. The Antichrist comes to control the world. It says, and all the world followed the beast. It didn’t say that just the United States followed the beast or just the European Union followed the beast, no it says, the whole world. We are not to add words or take away words in the scriptures. JESUS said, in Matthew 24, immediately “after” the tribulation not before. There is “no” escape route. People want to escape but where do we escape the world-wide tribulation? I don’t see any place to hide.

  33. Chris., in my previous comment in Daniel. 12, he said it is for the children of thy people. He was talking about the Jews (God’s people). Paul says we, the church, wil be caught up. Just because he only said it once doesn’t give it any leas credence. So that’s where we’ll be…in Heaven. Paul’s purpose was to preach the gospel to the Gentiles, not to talk about end times. His letters addressed problems in churches, false teachers, going back under law, etc.

    • Chris Ray says:

      Oh I’m not saying what Paul said is untrue, I’m just saying that that the rapture wasn’t what was concentrated on.

  34. I looked for your forum on this topic, but it doesn’t seem to be there; have you set it up yet? thanks!

  35. I agree that America is most likely the Daughter of Babylon. However I disagree that Gog and Magog is any kind of nation or group. In the End of the Book of Revelation at the end of Millennium Gog & Magog are let lose for a time when satan is judged in Revelation 20. This cannot be any physical being but an entity of a principality of the air just like the Prince of Persia that resisted the Arch Angel answering Daniel’s Prayer. It cannot be a country or group. This is often misinterpreted by a lot of people.

    • Chris Ray says:

      In Ezekiel Gog and the land of Magog are clearly referred to as a person and place. How do you explain that?

      • As Paul said:

        “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.” 1 Cor 15:46

        When looking up the meaning in Hebrew & Greek using a Strongs Gog is referred to as MOUNTAIN. It is also in Greek and Hebrew “North” is defined as a unknown realm or Hidden or obscure.

        Jesus said:

        Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. Matt 21:21

        Paul said:

        For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

        Who are these principalities? I refer you to Genesis 6. They have been tampering with human DNA to stop the Promise of God form the Beginning. They still do and they await Rev 12 to stop and devour the second coming.

        You can see there are similarities between Ez 38 & 39 and Rev 18 & 209 because they are the same battle.

        Don’t get me wrong there will be a WWIII in the flesh and physical but it will not be Armageddon. Why? because the Holy Spirit has to be poured out on all flesh first and as in Zechariah 1 the city will have to be dwelling in peace. The Birthing of Rev 12 will happen in the Remanent Bride first. Then the dragon will try to devour because he has not long 3.5 years left (second half of the testimony of Jesus Christ – Jesus only fulfilled the first half of Isaiah 61 before he was crucified). Witnesses testify for 3.5 years. The woman is chased into the wilderness….

        There will be a WWIII in the natural but the birthing of the woman in Rev 12 has to happen before Armageddon. Ironically as Genesis 1:14 that the constellations will be as a sign. The Sign of the woman clothed with the sun, the moon at her feet and crown of 12 start shows up over Jerusalem on Sept 23, 2017 day after the Feast of Trumpets. This is before the blood moons on Passover and Feast of Tabernacles in 2014 & 2015. 1260 days after the Sept 23, 2017 on March 5/6 2021 is the special Sabbath of Parah the preparation of Red Heifer that cleanses the priest before Passover. 1260 days the witnesses (those who did not defile themselves) are killed after their witness.

        2017 is a jubilee year (Acceptable day of the lord.
        1917 Balfour declaration
        1967 6 days war Jerusalem captured.

        all Jubilee years.

        1947/48 Israel recognized as a nation = a 70 year generation 2017/18

        All this given to me on my Birthday as a word of the Lord Jan 9, 2014. Jesus was most likely baptized on Jan 9. I will be 50 (Jubilee) in 2017.

        Messiah will free the captives upon his return – it will be a Jubilee year the 120th Jubilee. His first coming when he read Isaiah 61 it was the 81st Jubilee.

        And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
        Gen 6:3

        Jubilee is 50 years 120 X 50 = 6000 years.

        In the matter of two or three witnesses a matter will be established. There are so many fits with this that It goes beyond two or three.

        God is spirit and those who are true worshipers must worship in truth and spirit.

        Look all of this up. You will be astonished!

  36. I haven’t been on here in awhile, and wasn’t able to read EVERY comment here, just the last few…. Gog & Magog refer to people groups in/near Russia, which will come south and join other nations to battle Israel. But God will deal w them. As for the saints available during the Tribulation which will be persecuted: you have a couple of views, depending on where you place the Rapture. Pre-Trib, would mean those who got saved after the Church was taken out…Mid-Trib (which I happen to see makes a bit more sense), would mean ALL who are born again up to that time. Rev 11 makes a very compelling case for a Mid-Trib Rapture….. but whenever Jesus calls us, the true ones will be ready.

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