June 28, 2017

Rising Crime and Limited Law Enforcement

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Rising Crime and Limited Law Enforcement


Mike from Mass sent me an email with a very interesting article.  This is a subject I have touched on before but I want to take a deeper look at it with you today.  The article entitled Armed posse patrols timber land in sheriff’s place is about a rural county in Oregon that has had its Sheriff’s Department shrunken to 3 deputies who patrol for eight hours a day, five days a week due to budget cuts.  Because of this and rising crime, some residents have taken to different forms of assisting the Sheriff.  One of these forms, as the title explains, has been forming armed posse’s to patrol the county.

The reason I want to take a deeper look at this is because I think many of us can relate to a statement made by Sam Nichols in the article, which states:

“I believe in standing up for myself rather than waiting for the government to do something for me,”

I think this is something we will see more of for a variety of reasons.  For instance, in Oakland California, police will no longer respond to certain crimes, which is similar to the circumstances that are in the article; because of cuts, police and sheriff departments are limited in their patrols.  I also think that because of impending economic slowness we will see a rise in crime, as can be seen in this story from USA Today; Violent crime rises sharply, reversing trend.  I think we will see an uptick in crime from people who’re hungry and looking for ways to make ends meet.  I’m not justifying it, just explaining that we will see a different percentage of the population committing crime.


Formation of a Posse

A posse is essentially made up of unpaid civilians who assist local law enforcement.  I think there are two ways to go about forming one.  The first is what the Citizens Against Crime did in the story from Oregon that is mentioned above.  From the sounds of the story, they patrol armed with little or no formal training and report crimes to the Sheriff’s Department.

Josephine County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is quoted saying:

“They need to really understand there are consequences that can be very costly, physically as well as legally,” he said, explaining that volunteers could get sued or shot if they pull a gun on someone or make a false arrest.

“Most of them haven’t had what I feel is an adequate level of training to do that they do,” he said. “But if they serve as eyes and ears and only report what they see to law enforcement, I think they can keep themselves at a safe level.”

The Sheriff brings up some excellent points, but we shouldn’t necessarily let that keep citizens from forming a posse in times when, for whatever reason, local law enforcement is unable to meet the needs of the community.

An approach that I think is better is one that the Pinal County Sheriff from Arizona did by forming armed anti-smuggling volunteer posse.  The county has a large problem with Mexican cartels trafficking in drugs and humans, so the Sheriff formed a posse to help “bring the heavy hand of enforcement to those who think they can smuggle drugs or humans”.

From the article:

“According to a news release from the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office, the ASP will provide “surveillance and intelligence support to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office Regional SWAT during tactical operations they perform against the Mexican Drug Cartels in western Pinal County.”…

“ASP members are required to pass a full background investigation, and will be trained on Pinal Sheriff’s Office Policy and Procedures, the news release stated. The armed posse members will be required to take quarterly training and qualifications. The members will receive tactical training before any operations.”

This Sheriff saw a need and a potential resource and took the time to make sure he was using people without a criminal record (that is not to say that the men from Oregon might have a criminal background).  He trained them and they undergo quarterly training which is as much as some police departments require.

A posse is usually formed for a short time and with a specific task.  I think an ongoing force is more in line with what the original militia was created to do; to augment local law enforcement with armed, trained civilians who have their own rank and command structure.


While We Have the Rule of Law

In this time while we still have the rule of law, we are not the sole means of law enforcement.  You may decide to join a posse or militia to assist local law enforcement.  The following are some things to keep in mind.


Citizen’s Arrest

I’m sure everyone reading this has heard of making a citizen’s arrest, but do you know what making one entails?  I am not a lawyer or giving legal advice.  These comments should be viewed as information, not law.  Many states allow a citizen to make an arrest for felonies committed in their presence.  You are allowed the use of reasonable force to subdue the felon until the police arrive.  You do not need to read them their rights.  That’s the job of the police officers who will file the police report.  If you are mistaken and the suspected felon did not, in fact, commit a felon, or you used too much force, you may open yourself up to a lawsuit or to facing charges and jail time yourself.   Here is an article from the Art of Manliness called How to Make a Citizens Arrest that goes deeper into the subject.


Buddy System

The buddy system is something I learned of in the Navy.  It means that you never go anywhere alone; always go with at least one buddy.  I can tell you from personal experience that using the buddy system saved me a few times.  There really is safety in numbers.



Being able to provide accurate, minute by minute information with instant and reliable communication is vital.  If you’re a part of a Sheriff sponsored posse, you will most likely be given a radio and trained in how to use it.  If you form a posse or militia with some other concerned citizens, one of the first things you should look into is communication.


Know Your Role

I honestly don’t know if a posse formed by a sheriff would provide the same umbrella of protection to its members that the sheriff and deputies would have.  If you form a posse with other citizens you are just that, a citizen.  You might be well advised to take the advice of the sheriff from Oregon :

“If they serve as eyes and ears and only report what they see to law enforcement, I think they can keep themselves at a safe level.”


Being Armed

If you have been a reader of this site for a while, you know I am a strong supporter of the second amendment.  I believe it is the responsibility of each citizen to be able to protect themselves.  With that being said, you need to think long and hard and pray about taking a firearm with you if you are going to put yourself in a situation where you’re essentially looking for trouble for the purpose of reporting it.

If George Zimmerman from Florida wouldn’t have had his firearm with him when he saw Trayvon Martin, he may have been less likely to follow and confront him and may have just called police.  Now, I am not saying you shouldn’t.  I’m saying you need to understand the ramifications of your decision.  If you are looking for criminals for the purpose of reporting them to police and are armed, there is the potential for gunplay because you brought a firearm.

Carrying a gun may also give a little extra courage to some, but just because you put on a cape doesn’t mean you can fly.  If you are level headed, can legally own and carry a firearm and are trained in its use, then move forward with caution.

I also think that if you carry a firearm, whether it is just for conceal and carry, or as an armed member of a posse, you should have other means to defend yourself.  When I carry, I have pepper spray, a flashlight that can be used as a striking implement and am trained in an Israeli based form of Real World Self-Defense called Haganah.  If I was patrolling, I would also carry either a larger flashlight or an asp to use for striking.  If you only have a hammer in the tool box, you see every problem as a nail.  I like to have as many options as I can legally.


Without the Rule of Law

I really hope and pray we never see a time when we no longer have the rule of law.  I think it would take an unlikely event such as an EMP or other far-reaching event to remove the rule of law.  Even though I believe it is unlikely we will see a time when there is no law enforcement to enforce the rule of law, I still think we have to be aware of it.  How will it affect us in the area we live?  How will we respond?

All of the things listed in the section “While We Have the Rule of Law” will still apply, with the exception of maybe citizen’s arrest.  If there is no law enforcement to retrieve the felon from you, you must think now about what you might do if you witness a felony.

There have been many of these types of situations discussed in several survival fiction books such as Lights Out or One Second After.  These and others have helped me think through some of the possible situations we may face without the rule of law.


What Will You Do?

Have you thought about whether or not you would ever join a posse to help enforce the law?  Would it matter if it was created and trained by the sheriff?  Have you thought about how life may be different without the rule of law and what you might do?


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  1. Jim Moore says:

    Good article. Thanks for the links and prompting more thought on this subject.

    Have you thought about whether or not you would ever join a posse to help enforce the law? I have thought about the posse thing but still don’t know what I would do. I guess I would hope someone with active military or police experience would step up, realistically. If that didn’t happen, I don’t know. I would be tough while still under ROL. I agree that it would have to be an EMP or other huge event to put us in a WROL situation and I personally have more concern about an Excessive Rule of Law situation.

    Would it matter if it was created and trained by the sheriff? Yes, I’d want to know the Character of the Sheriff first, his motive and intent would be important to me but I could surely benefit from some training. And I’d want some body armor too.

    Have you thought about how life may be different without the rule of law and what you might do? Yes, I’m thinking I think of it too much. Reading to many Survival Fiction books may be detrimental to your present state of mind. I have barbed wire for fencing and trip sets. I have t-posts of several sizes for setting neck high trip wires as well as small bells to hang on trips wires for a little advance notice. The dogs will hear the bells if I don’t. While I might hope to hunker down in my home I imagine I would be active in the community too. It takes a village and all that. I seem to think that it would take about 12 people to protect one site, like a home. 24/7 watches and roving guards would be in order and would take a number of people. Have I thought about WROL SitX? I sat for hours last Saturday thinking how I need to stock about 100 railroad ties for setting up strategic covers around my yard. I designed in my head pyramid style structure in various places around the property as well as multiple raised structures with cover to keep watch. Too much? Ha ha! Man, I hope so.

    • the prepper fiction books can help open eyes, but to many could be a bad thing I suppose lol.

      I wish fortifying my place was even an option, there isn’t anything I could do that would make much of a difference.

      • Jim Moore says:

        The difference I may be making could be totally delusional, so I understand. I hope you have a bug-out location my friend.

        Have you checked the Solar activity today? I’ve been watching it for over a year and have never seen it so high risk. http://solarham.net/

        • Chris Ray says:

          we don’t have a BOL, but have found four temporary places that we’ll use if/when we have to bug out.

          I have been keeping an eye on if for a while, we’re near the solar max, the most active time in a roughly ten year cycle.

  2. Chris,

    Thanks again for another thought provoking article! It is important for us all to consider how we will respond in different situations.

    As an ER/trauma nurse working in ER’s around the country (travel contracts with facilities for usually 3 months), I have personally witnessed lack of response from Law Enforcement due to increased crime and decreased Law Enforcement Officers due to budget cuts. This isn’t my attack on Law Enforcement…they have to be as frustrated as I am.

    I want to share a couple examples of how I’ve seen police departments function in recent years. Actually I don’t have to go back “years”, these examples occurred in the last week. I will also point out that these examples are the norm…yes, they happen over and over and every ER nurse(and patients/family being treated in ER) is subjected to these dangers.

    First example occurred again a couple days ago… Police take into custody a man tweeking on meth and found with drugs in public. When they take him to police department for processing, he complains of chest pain (yes, these smart criminals know what to say and do to manipulate the system). So, the police call 911 for ambulance transport to the ER. I should point out that the criminal is no longer under arrest somehow because the City would have to pay the hospital and ambulance bill if he remains under arrest. Now the criminal arrives in the ER with only the paramedics….no police. Remember he is not in custody anymore. Once he gets into a room and on the ER stretcher, he begins pulling off monitoring equipment needed to evaluate and treat chest pain, and refuses to give his name or answer any questions. Then gets up…says he doesn’t want to stay and walks out refusing to sign out against medical advice. Just think of the resources he just tied up by manipulating his way out of police custody! To put it another way…what if your loved one was waiting to see the nurse or doctor while we are dealing with this situation? Fortunately this particular patient didn’t become violent, but it often does.

    Another example…potentially more dangerous to staff/patients. A man signs into ER requesting narcotic pain medication for back pain he’s had for years. While sitting in the triage room (room where patient is initially checked in and nurse/doctor evaluate), the doctor begins assessing patient and notices his record shows he has visited our ER 27 times in recent months requesting narcotics. When the doctor mentions the amount of visits for narcotics and says she can’t write another prescription for more, he became argumentative…then verbally abusive. When the doctor respectfully said there was nothing she could do, he said, “there’s something I can do…I’m going to come back and shoot your a#*” while walking out of ER. So, there’s the situation. I would like to point out that Emergency Rooms around the country are usually only staffed by a security company, not police. These security personnel are unarmed and have no means of protection…other than dialing 911. So, now I’m standing at the security desk reporting the incident and not knowing if the man is going to his car to get a gun and return as threatened. How the hospital security didn’t react is for another story, but finally I had to request them to call police. It took awhile, but when I finally got on the phone with the police, the officer asked me if the man was in the ER with a gun? When I responded “no, I don’t see him”, the officer asked, “well, do you want to make a report?” Not kidding… No police responded to the hospital! I was told by the police officer (who told me he was answering the phones because he was on light duty) that they did not have the personnel to respond in person unless there was a shooter on sight.

    Please understand… I’m not sharing these examples of dangerous situations to talk bad about the police. I believe our police are doing the best with the resources they are being given. I just want to point out how bad our budget cuts are affecting our safety!!

    …and no, I’m not allowed to carry my weapon on hospital property even though I have a CWP. The police don’t have the resources to protect me, and I’m not allowed to protect myself. Think about it…

    ER Nurse

    (name withheld because I could actually be fired for telling this story…they would say I was violating patient privacy rights!!…once again…not kidding)

    • Chris Ray says:

      Great insight thank you for sharing. I am surprised that the man with chest pain was basically released and allowed to go to the hospital on his own. That to me sounds more like a law that needs changing than anything else.

      These are both good examples of what we are seeing now with a lack of police presence (for whatever reason) and will see more of as more budget cuts are made.

      Thanks again for sharing.

  3. Any word on who won the spools of 550 paracord? Will you be announcing the winners at all? Or will they just be notified privately?

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